Comments on: Elijah’s Mission http://heinme.heartsburning.com/2008/05/elijahs-mission/ "Jesus in you... the hope of glory." Thu, 05 May 2011 07:26:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Don http://heinme.heartsburning.com/2008/05/elijahs-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Don Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:53:12 +0000 http://heinme.heartsburning.com/?p=82#comment-63 Sam, I found your site through Sarah True. I wanted to comment on the Messianic Jew thing. I have looked into a lot of it, and I hate to say it, it is religion only for the most part. I have read David Sterns (a Messianic Jew) commentary on the New Testament and loved it, but did see his Jewish bias. Paul goes to great lengths to demonstrate our need for Jesus and not the Law (Galatians anyone?). In Romans I believe it is, he tells us the weak ones do not eat this or that, but the strong ones can have what they want. But we should not condemn one or the other. It is like the whole eating meat offered to idols. If you want to, eat the meat, if you do not want to, just do not eat it, do not make a big deal about it. (I remember some charismatic friends I had that would not eat the Harry Potter jelly beans. I liked them, and ate them, but I did not offer any to them, I mean hey, more for me, right?) Anyway. I have found that there are Old Testament laws for a reason. They do help us live a better life. For instance, eating pig can cause health issues (high blood pressure, and an increase in toxins in the body) and of course washing our hands before meals is a good thing. The Festivals in the OT have a great heart behind them, but I think the bigger picture is to remember to simply celebrate God and what He has done. Take a Sabbath and throw a party, after-all, its in the Bible. So, I would not get too close to the Messianic Jewish movement as it can turn into a religion (that God hates), but do not be afraid to be open to spiritual disciplines that may be apart of the Torah. I get the sense that God has given you wisdom, keep using it. -Don- (I often offer unsolicited advice) Sam,
I found your site through Sarah True. I wanted to comment on the Messianic Jew thing.
I have looked into a lot of it, and I hate to say it, it is religion only for the most part. I have read David Sterns (a Messianic Jew) commentary on the New Testament and loved it, but did see his Jewish bias.
Paul goes to great lengths to demonstrate our need for Jesus and not the Law (Galatians anyone?). In Romans I believe it is, he tells us the weak ones do not eat this or that, but the strong ones can have what they want. But we should not condemn one or the other. It is like the whole eating meat offered to idols. If you want to, eat the meat, if you do not want to, just do not eat it, do not make a big deal about it. (I remember some charismatic friends I had that would not eat the Harry Potter jelly beans. I liked them, and ate them, but I did not offer any to them, I mean hey, more for me, right?)
Anyway. I have found that there are Old Testament laws for a reason. They do help us live a better life. For instance, eating pig can cause health issues (high blood pressure, and an increase in toxins in the body) and of course washing our hands before meals is a good thing.
The Festivals in the OT have a great heart behind them, but I think the bigger picture is to remember to simply celebrate God and what He has done. Take a Sabbath and throw a party, after-all, its in the Bible.
So, I would not get too close to the Messianic Jewish movement as it can turn into a religion (that God hates), but do not be afraid to be open to spiritual disciplines that may be apart of the Torah.
I get the sense that God has given you wisdom, keep using it.
–Don–
(I often offer unsolicited advice)

]]> By: Samuel Weber http://heinme.heartsburning.com/2008/05/elijahs-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Samuel Weber Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:45:25 +0000 http://heinme.heartsburning.com/?p=82#comment-60 Jason: Here is what the UMJC says about Messianic Judaism: "Messianic Judaism is a movement of Jewish congregations and congregation-like groupings committed to Yeshua the Messiah that embrace the covenantal responsibility of Jewish life and identity rooted in Torah, expressed in tradition, renewed and applied in the context of the New Covenant." Can you explain this "covenantal responsibility" for me? My understanding of a Messianic Jew is a Jew who finds Jesus as the True Messiah, yet still continues following the same traditions... Much like the earlier believers in Acts. However I have seen many sites that are actually just modern-day Judizers: "Yes, you don't have to follow all these OT laws as a Christian, but..." and then spend the rest of the time talking about how you'll be a better Christian because of it. Some even blatantly say that you must follow the Torah. That's not cool! Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." -Sam Jason:

Here is what the UMJC says about Messianic Judaism:

“Messianic Judaism is a movement of Jewish congregations and congregation-like groupings committed to Yeshua the Messiah that embrace the covenantal responsibility of Jewish life and identity rooted in Torah, expressed in tradition, renewed and applied in the context of the New Covenant.”

Can you explain this “covenantal responsibility” for me?

My understanding of a Messianic Jew is a Jew who finds Jesus as the True Messiah, yet still continues following the same traditions… Much like the earlier believers in Acts.

However I have seen many sites that are actually just modern-day Judizers: “Yes, you don’t have to follow all these OT laws as a Christian, but…” and then spend the rest of the time talking about how you’ll be a better Christian because of it. Some even blatantly say that you must follow the Torah.

That’s not cool!

Romans 14:17 “For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”

–Sam

]]> By: Jason http://heinme.heartsburning.com/2008/05/elijahs-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-59 Jason Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:46:29 +0000 http://heinme.heartsburning.com/?p=82#comment-59 I urge you to check out messianic judaism. There is a cool convention that I am aware of, UMJC. http://www.umjc.net/ I urge you to check out messianic judaism. There is a cool convention that I am aware of, UMJC. http://www.umjc.net/

]]> By: sarah http://heinme.heartsburning.com/2008/05/elijahs-mission/comment-page-1/#comment-58 sarah Sat, 31 May 2008 23:27:30 +0000 http://heinme.heartsburning.com/?p=82#comment-58 i'm so glad you posted your thoughts on Elijah. i really enjoyed the biblestudy on Elijah. you guys should keep posting your thoughts on guys bible study so the girls can still participate. i’m so glad you posted your thoughts on Elijah. i really enjoyed the biblestudy on Elijah. you guys should keep posting your thoughts on guys bible study so the girls can still participate.

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